November 18, 2004
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Xanga Investigation: The Yellow Ribbons Conspiracy
It's almost impossible
to drive down a busy street without spotting one these. If you're from
New York, you'll see even more. As American men and women continue to
lay down their lives every day in the war with Iraq, yellow ribbons can
be seen popping up like penis' in a porn video in towns and cities all
across the United States. This is a phenomenon many can recall from the
Gulf War of 1991, when similar decorations adorned tree trunks, front
doors and lapel pins until the troops came home from the battlefield.But
one day while sitting passenger-side with my Christian friend, I
noticed something peculiar about the aforementioned ribbons--a passing
car had planted his ribbon lopsided. With further staring, it had
struck me! "THIS IS ALL A MASSIVE SUBLIMNAL PROPAGANDA MESSAGE!" I
yelled to my friend who almost veered us off a road due to my sudden
"eureka." Now, before you go and ask what I was smoking when I said
this, allow me to voice myself. My art teacher (who I hate to this
date) once said something I will never forget because it holds true for
the most part. He said, "As an artist, you see things differently, you
view objects abnormally, and over-analyze sometimes. You can find
details that many cannot." So true.Now, back to my theory.
The ribbons at first glance seem innocent to the naked eye. But, with
that one crooked ribbon, it sparked a whole different view. My friend
Justin, who is Christian-raised, sees this as a “crazy idea.” I say
he’s just biased, and I’m sure many of my Christian readers will think
like my friend. Allow my cheesy Photoshop skills to progress further:Do you
see it? If you’re not a Christian, allow me to inform you. As an
Agnostic, I am only able to expand so much with my knowledge from a
fellow Christian. The picture you above in “figure b” is a universal
icon well-known to Christians. It’s a fish, which I believe
is related to a biblical story. What does that mean? Either one of
three things:- The Christian Organization is subliminally
brainwashing us to fall into their trap (not that this religion is bad,
it’s just shady of them. GOD WOULD NOT APPROVE!). - Since our president practices this religion
heavily, it would not surprise me if he’s getting support from the
Christian organization to promote them somehow. - Gorton’s Fisherman, a big seafood business that most likely supported Bush with funds.
- So by extension, since the AIDS ribbon is the same shape, the gays must be supporting Christianity too. Scandalous indeed!
Perhaps I’m being too
analytical about this, or perhaps I’ve nothing to do than to become a
tad bit sacrilegious. But if the American people can easily buy into
extraterrestrial abductions on “Fake Town, USA,” what makes this theory
any less irrelevant? - The Christian Organization is subliminally
Comments (371)
HA I already read this before.. from you ...prepare yourself for a haranguing from the christian population
ha finally first xP
haha. wth.
I've seen those ribbons... didn't know what they were until now!
you're too bored..
hi its 'uh oh its joolie'
you are super cool 8)
hehehehehe
Those yellow ribbons are stuck all over cars here in California. Especially on rich perfect family Suburbans or Explorers. Soccer moms are driving all over with those damn stickers. You see, they're made for giant cars with giant back ends, because those wouldn't fit on the back of small cars, like say, my Corolla. Yeah, it is a conspiracy. Do people think we would convert by seeing a fish sticker!? Arggg!
Crazy idea.
Those breast cancer ribbons are just the same, just pink and no stuck on cars. Do you believe that is also part of this propaganda?
LOL...that's somethign to think about
I like this... now I actually have a reason for hating those ribbons.
Ah. The hated by me, but loved by others. I've never noticed the fish thing before, good job! I am a Christian and attend a catholic, but I haven't heard about this propaganda... Then again, they did give us all those pink wristbands with the breast cancer ribbon on them at school. XD
heh... good theory.
overanalyzer.
those ribbons are dumb though. a majority of americans support troops, it's not like we're out there bashing the troops, because they do what they're told. it's everything else we don't support...
I'm early this time!!!!!!!
The fish are evil. So are sheep. BAaaa. baaaa..
lol that bush picture is hilarious...
Nice. good. I like it. More. MORE!
hhahahahahahha yes...
meow...
=_= ...
they use the same loop (in pink) for breast cancer society in nz..... i dont know if it's an international thing or not
wait----so what were you smoking?
lol. Your theory speaks volumes of truth. Blessed you be!
im speechless.. in a sense that you're beyond crazy.
hahh!
so confused
I never knew what that fish was for. Stupid religion.... fish are food! not religious symbols! >_<
I believe the fish is a symbol because Jesus was a fisherman. Or something to that extent. Um, yeah.
If I was a non-Christian, I'd probably come up with something crazy like that. You should become a psychologist. I'm telling you... there's some big bucks to be made with those text books.
what does WWJD mean..
WE WUV JESUS's DADDY?
good thinking on those ribbons... sounds pretty paranoid tho, the whole "everything's a conspiracy" idea, but thats how i think sometimes too so its all cool haha. score one for nostradamus
ooo thats weird
a good theory..im not christian..but im a little eerie... people turn it sideways to put it on their trunks..so they will fit..so i mean what if a jewish person were to do the same thing..is it spouting the same message?
but an interesting way to look at it none the less..
lol..so much time on ur hands..~
but it's a good theory i think say..lol
EUREKA! bravo insight
GUNG HOOOO!
haha...that is interesting...do you know what the Christian fish is about though?
I think you're overanalyzing this one. It's interesting, but tons of things use the ribbon.
I think you're overanalyzing this...
("(o_O)/")
... penis in a porn video? that's great.
lol. what's agnostic? this child is too lazy to look it up.
leave bush all alone already...poor stupid guy..
ah to think like you.....you realize what you're doing to people? course you do. must rub you for that. **rub**
emi
I took great offense to that >>.<< *Runs away*...
meow...
=_= ...
forgive me if i go on a long time but as a christian i was raised southern baptist. the only symbol we supposidly believe in is the cross. all other symbols are suppose to be satanic images brought up to lure us christians away from the true God. Now to your viewing it's luring you into OUR trap. To my viewing it's luring me into YOUR trap. isn't it nice that we can all get along while trying to trap each other into these situations? I still say a ribbon is a ribbon and i don't pick up any of them.
bush a villiage idiot? Nostradamus is pretty accurate, but as a supporter of Bush, poor guy! let's leave him alone already! =) by the way, what is agnostic?
here's another conspiracy.
According to last book in bible, an "antichrist" will come...named mabus (MAY-bus).
osaMA BUSh
wtf... maybe not a conspiracy.
I've got a crazy story about an AIDS conspiracy that my chemistry teacher told my class long ago. I'll post it on my site eventually. HEY CAKALUSA! We love most of your ideas.
those are called like ankhs rite?
... maybe...
Your frigging amazing. i love reading your site and see many others do as well.
Susan directed me to this site..lol. Her sexiness on your icon! ;]
and you got a point about the ribbon thing..hrm.
Excellent theory, however perhaps a tad bit 'too analyzed'. I have a yellow ribbon on my car and I am agnostic, I am getting no religious vibes from them.
The thought was no where near concievable in my mind until you mentioned.
If you knew the actual origin of the Ichthus, you would think this whole thing is even more of a conspiracy.
Here's the scoop: During the humble beginnings of the Christian faith (shortly after Jesus' death), Christians were severely persecuted (and still are in most countries) so they had a secret way of identifying each other in order to keep themselves from talking to the wrong people about their faith. Their little secret handshakeish thing was for one of them to draw a crescent in the dirt with their foot. If the other person turned out to be a "follower of the Way" then they would draw another crescent in the dirt intersecting with the first, making a fish <>< Why they chose a fish as their way of identifying each other probably was because Jesus was a fisherman.
Since you brought up your agnosticism, I assume you are comfortable talking about it, but I could wrong. If I'm wrong, ignore this next part.
What definition of agnostic are you labeling yourself by? Some people have different interpretations of what it means, so I'm not going to assume that I have any idea what you believe. So what beliefs do you operate under? What is it you have faith in?
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Posted by CaKaLusa - 11/17/2004 at 8:04 PM
right on chris!
man.. we need more people like you to crack all these governmental and religious conspiracies..
hey genius.
stupid ribbons....!! i didn't know waht the fishs were...
I agree with you. My mom put one on her car but I ripped it off and threw it away. No way she was gonna put that shit on her car. She thought someone had stole it so she put another one. I threw that one away too. She tried 2 more times after that & gave up. I had my suspicions about them when I saw them on a car like that. Nice to know I'm not the only who thinks so.
XOXO, Dawn
Like me you have to much time on your hands to think it's like saying the peace sign is a upside down cross like I said before things seem different when we think to hard
whooaaa
i thought i was the only one who thought those lopsided ribbons looked like the christian fish.
Sometimes an idiot is what it takes.
haha! "cheesy photoshop skills" and "Gorton's fisherman"??? LMAO! well at least you got your point across. actually after this election i'm starting to think that some of these conspiracy theories might hold more weight than previously believed.
LOL. That Bush thing was funny, and mass propoganda theory is interesting. Not saying I believe it or don't, but it sure is interesting...reminds me of my own theory for something totally unrelated...will go post it...
I think you would enjoy reading http://www.richeswillrust.com
I have been branded EVIL over there....
wow your smart...they are seriously brainwashing us
yea i see those damn ribbons everywhere, on cars, on ppl, on streets, and um..its jsus everywhere..ahhh
So you don't see enough evidence for God or do you think you see too much evidence against God? And, honestly, how much does it matter to you at this point? For example, do you really search for answers, or does it not weigh heavily enough on your mind to give you the motivation to do so?
By the way, if you ever get tired of my questions on the subject just let me know and I'll leave it alone I promise I don't intend to be obnoxious
i always assumed they were sideways because there wasn't enough room on the back of their car to put on up-right.
hmm...
oh and the fish-- it has something to do with how chrisitians used to greet each other. One person would draw a part of it in the sand and if the other person completed the fish it meant they were christian too. Something along those lines.
Yellow and Pink ribbons are everywhere in Texas!!!
i think more likely it was a perv as opposed to a religious zealout.
ribbons = fish = pussy, not jesus
right.....
chris, are you getting desperate?
huh, see a lot of them turned sideways.
hahhaha, the damn christians are gonna take over! go atheists/agnostics/deists!
considering my foul mood regarding today's political/religious fundamentalist climate, I really would not be surprised. hmph. even though I'm Christian. bleh.
you are just so damn smart...you make me wanna think...you...you...just...keep up the good work!
bush is so sexy
the bush thing is great. love it. but i'm a christian and i think YOUR IDEA'S CRAZY.
and you said, "So by extension, since the AIDS ribbon is the same shape, the gays must be supporting Christianity too. Scandalous indeed!"
i don't see how gays fit into any of this.
lol
By gum Cakalusa! I think you may be right.
Alix
you shoulda said "like breasts in a porn video"
definitely more breasts than penises TWICE more..penis'?sp? ehh--who cares..it's not like i write that word in my english essays all the time...
so are ALL ribbons the christian fish?
I never did understand what was so good about those fish...
EXTRATERRESTRIALS STOLE A TOWN FROM US?!?!?!?
lol, i've never seen those ribbons in that way before. now i'll be on the lookout for lopsided ones. ^_-
I want a yellow ribbon. And a pink one too! So I can be IN STYLE too...
There are such things as LGBT Christians. But there are also LGBT Non-Christians. You cant just make a statement like #4 and not make yourself look like a stupid poo in my eyes.
Yet another conspiracy I tell you.
wow..weird and freaky
fishes...woo
that is too funny, i was sitting in the drivethrough at the bank yesterday, one vehicle in front of me and on in the drivethrough next to mine.....one had two of them (one red, white, and blue and one of a strange color), the car in the next line had the yellow one you had posted......
i've seen tons of those ribbons sideways. Its not like they dont have room to put them the "normal" way ... hell they have a whole car they have enough room. It always bothered me... now i know why lol.
you're too much.
and god, those ribbons are definitely like the trend or something. you start to think no one supports their troops and they're just looking to fit in.
u dork
it's not me who wants you to be saved, it's God and i'm just supposed to be some sort of channel. He's the one pursuing you, not I said the cat.
luckily that I am not a Christian, even tho I was in Christian school for about 10 years
maybe it just cant fit vertically..ever thought of that -.-
yeah my mom read it. only cause one person that used to be my friend decided He would let my mom know about me cause I won't tell her. The gay thing is the only reason that happened is he couldn't get with me and so he felt the need for attention. now he denys all of what he did. Funny right he gets a phone call from me after I found out he had been telling my mom shit. He said he didn't do it when I had proof. Anyway messed up right!
lmfao
oh geez!
lol
love ammie
HaHa*It's official: you rock! I see those everywhere too. Yesterday I saw an old man in a truck and he had EVERY SINGLE version of the ribbon that I have ever seen. The camo ribbon, the yellow ribbon, the pink ribbon, the patriotic ribbon, and about 5 more after that! He must be a leader of the conspiracy or something.
Wow.... that's all i have to say.
i love ur writing... thx for the insight...
a guy tat doesn't even know you... kev
isn't that sailer from gordon's fish sticks?
No conspiracy dude, the yellow ribbon phenomenom shows how FUCKING STUPID people are It started as a hokey song by Tony Orlando & Dawn of all people, and it was about someone getting out of jail So are we to imply that the armed services is like a prison term...THAT don't fit into the Amerikkklan manifesto
so that's the plural of penis?
anyway, i've seen it in all different positions. i think it's just the way people want it on their car without getting in the way of their other stupid bumper stickers or whatever ricey objects they have on there. doesn't seem like a conspiracy to me, but you sure have one hell of an imagination!
Do you know Eddie and Spencer??
i like your theory, but remember ribbons like this are used for so many other purposes as well - unrelated to the war or anything to do with the US superpowers
haha spoken like a true new yorker!! haha.. yes village idiot.. yes
okay this really bugs me.. but... how do u get all those comments??? share some!!! dammit >_<
um... awesome pic of Bush... hahaha =P
by the way, u still don't know me
HAHHAHA.. man.. thats awesome.. you never manage to get boring.. .. and hey.. I have a poll going on in my xanga.. and.. it'd be awesome if you could vote.. so.. yeah.. have fun voting!!
~~!RYAN!~~
Better choice than Tony Orlando & Dawn---http://www.bombhiphop.com/newbomb/bombpages/azeem.html
Figures! Jk Eddie.
What is RYC?
thank god that hasnt hit cali yet. we're still wearing the piink ribbons. and the rainbow ribbons. hAH
I love conspiracay theories and this one rings true. Crispians leaders are not to be trusted anyway.
~Meph~
Dude you do got some sweet MS paint skills
your christian friend,
jyo
lol yes, im afraid!
-ammie
I suddenly wanna know how many entries u have and how long it gonna take u if you have to private all ur entries, lol!@@@
nice xanga
WWJD? I have one of those before.. hmm. the bracelets..
It might as well come to this...the ribbons are beginning to show up on many places for many things. It's become synonymous with relaying quasi-inspirational messages that pander to the right-leaning population.
I'm Catholic, but even I know that God is God, faith is faith, and religion is politics. I have a feeling that my assertion will become more and more clear in the coming years, as I begin packing my bags and learning the Canadian national anthem (just in case).
COME TO JO_CAMEL AND GET YOUR KICK IN THE HEAD
Bye the Bye I LOVE the site
Keep up the good work.
all christians must be manipulative bastards.
Dude that is some seriously funny crap and the true meaning of the "ictus" fish only supports your theory. The Ictus fish is actually an elongated greek lower case alpha and was used as a secret symbol between Christians in the early church during times of persecution. One believer would draw the first half of the fish and then if the other knew what he was doing would finish it by drawing the other half. Very cloak and dagger, very conspiracy theory. Loved the post and I'm a Masters of Divinity student!
wow how interesting.
i like the picture about what nostradamus said. :]
I am sending you an email in response to your response to my response, etc. etc. you get the idea. I would leave it as a comment, but I don't think you or your readers would appreciate such a long comment that isn't completely relevant to your post. Anyway, check your email and feel free to reply by whatever means you deem appropriate
(and remember, you can always tell me to shut up, and I will gladly oblige)
How observant of you. Very true.
It wasn't a cospiracy. The drwning of the fish between Christians was a signal for a safe house. Much like in the days of the underground railroad. Christains were tortured mercilessly then. Just for being Christains. While it's true about drawing one hafe of the fish and the other person finshing it, was much like a secret handshake, it was just to ensure safety. And yes you have too much time on your hands! But who knows, there are plenty of "Christians" who do very unchristain things. Especially on those darn TV court shows.
conspiracy, sorry... and drawing and half (wow, I'm a horrible typist)
interesting..i actually bought one of those but never put it up..dont know y. i like that bush thing..i definitely agree..village idiot..thats great! hahaha.
I doubt you will read this since you have so many comments. about the stickers-- I like seeing them on cars no matter which way they are turned because they remind me to pray for the troops....even if they say "support our troops"--the best way i can support them is to pray and also to support the president. (i pray for him, too) i have 2 of the magnets/stickers on my car turned sideways for 2 reasons. 1- they fit better that way. 2 -they are easier to read that way....but your theory is interesting. now i will add a 3rd reason for having or at least liking having them sidewayss ... the fish--that simple symbol christians use to identify each other as believers in the ONE Whose existence you are not yet sure of. keep looking--HE IS there. you WILL find HIM because HE wants to be found.
hahaha... i have to agree though. i analyze things waaaaay too much. probably cuz i have too much time on my hands
check out the work of keith young and comment under the piece of art you like @
http://www.xanga.com/keiffersyoung/
or go to http://www.keithyounggraphics.com to see some old work
random: check this out: http://www.dvo.com/newsletter/monthly/2004/august/ghostcarad.mpg
Okay this is what I've noticed...The ribbons are turned side ways...but they turn them that way so that the "Support Our Troops" is very legible...and if we are going to say that it is some sort of religious conspiracy...the fish is pointing the OPPOSITE way to make the Support Our Troops read correctly....and fish heads facing to the left stands for Darwinism. I think anyway...But yeah...so....I dunno.
hi
what kind of art do you do?
*
anyways, wow... on that theory.
xx,
carla
i knew a fisherman had to be involved one way or another. those damn fisherman... they find their way into everythings somehow!
haha. the ribbons...who would've thought? haha jk
Ha I love it! It made me smile!
You know what makes you SEXY? Let me enlighten you.. Your not only handsome (which you ARE), your smart.. VERY smart.. And your HILARIOUS.. Which for me, is more important than the looks thing... **I think your on to something with your theory on the ribbons.. I have seen SEVERAL people's ribbons turned sideways.. I NEVER thought about the "sublimal message" till now.. I honestly think your right.. Bye SEXY, Angela
i think you're over analyzing things.
Crazy, but interesting.
Mmm, fishsticks... I mean... uh.... VIVA CONSPIRIOSO!
interesting.
... yes. very interesting.
.mE.
I hate those ribbons..it is a fad now..like the livestrong bracelets..but at least that money goes to charity..
on minigenrichesourlives' comment.. "all christians must be manupulative bastards"..
i am a christian. but i am not manupulative and certainly was not begotten and born of unwed parents..
well.. on another note. i love your entries.. they are so funny! keep it up
awww thank you, u r a sweet heart... now i see why u get so many comments =P
keep up the good work...
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA clever =]
so stupid...
WOW great analysis!!! I never thought of it way before.
I was just going to write an entry on these "support our troops" magnets. I was suprised to see that it's actually MADE IN THE USA and not made in CHINA - like most things of that sort are.
Anyway, you get a lot of comments. I hope you get around to reading this one.
that to me is so shallow...my brother is a marine and the yellow ribbons arent a fucking conspiracy..i mean u need a fucking new hobby if u got enough damntime to come up with stupid shit like that...
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ok, i know Catholics can be complete and utter bastards, but i'm not a Catholic. not all Christians are horrible, histrionic egotists! all we want is a little lovin'!
My friends and I made a game of collecting those off of H2's and gas-guzzling SUV's downtown Chicago. In one day I believe we collected somewhere around 65 of them. I have to say it does get the adrenalin going. After we committed our crime, we then redeposited the ridiculous things all over town. Specifically on garbage dumpsters. What could be more patriotic than an American Dumpster?
ribbons are not stickers, ribbons are ribbons. nough said
Oh man. I had the same thought about those ribbons a couple weeks ago too.
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Some interesting thothgus in the article. I don't see ebooks crashing through as quickly as serveral in the article predict. Ebooks have been predicted to take over, for years.I think it will be a slow erosion, where ebooks take a larger share of the market, but will be many years before they utterly dominate.Of course, my prediction is probably as reliable as anybody else's.
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